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#50 Fin1712

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Posted 10 June 2015 - 04:31 PM

The saddest part about this conflict is that USTZ Nulli gets like 30 dudes in fleet nowadays. That's like the same as Tri. The fate of the largest region in EVE is being decided by two alliances which form thirty dudes, Shadow Cartel could blob you two and take the fucking region if they wanted to. Of course the space is so worthless that they have no incentive to but vOv.



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Posted 10 June 2015 - 05:18 PM

To me the saddest part is that EVE is so damn dead that we are the only content in the game, so everyone wants to show up. I am not mad or salty about it because we lose from time to time, just frustrated more that there is so little going on in general. I wouldn't mind fighting Nulli 30v30 every night, but get tired of one side having the upper hand, so the other calls PL, NC, or CFC to bail them out. We are just as guilty, but it gets old.



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Posted 10 June 2015 - 05:38 PM

thanks fozzie


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Posted 10 June 2015 - 06:40 PM

thanks fozzie

IMO it's more of a human nature problem than a game mechanics problem. People in general hate to lose, and will even befriend people that shot them last night to not lose tonight.



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Posted 10 June 2015 - 07:32 PM

thanks fozzie

 

IMO it's more of a human nature problem than a game mechanics problem. People in general hate to lose, and will even befriend people that shot them last night to not lose tonight.

I think he's referring more to the eve is dead part than batphoning.


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Posted 10 June 2015 - 08:15 PM

Didn't CCP just roll out a retarded half assed sov system and delay the full release by like 2 months

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Posted 10 June 2015 - 08:21 PM

Didn't CCP just roll out a retarded half assed sov system and delay the full release by like 2 months


Yea but now you can shut off ststion services in like 4 minutes in a frig. With a magic sov wand!

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Posted 10 June 2015 - 08:26 PM

Thinking there is some magic sov mechanic that will make people stop batphoning and/or third partying is retarded. The only way to do this is to set some artficial caps/limits on fights or systems, and that is just as lame as anything CCP could ever think up.



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Posted 10 June 2015 - 08:36 PM

Didn't CCP just roll out a retarded half assed sov system and delay the full release by like 2 months

 

Sounds like 2010 all over again



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Posted 10 June 2015 - 08:37 PM

Legit we should all just move to lowsec

Save ourselves the bubbles and bombs and have some actual fleet comp variety and it's not like anyone is fighting over anything in particular now anyway
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Posted 10 June 2015 - 08:46 PM

Legit we should all just move to lowsec

Save ourselves the bubbles and bombs and have some actual fleet comp variety and it's not like anyone is fighting over anything in particular now anyway

 

if they don't get it right i think the game is legit dead


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Posted 10 June 2015 - 08:58 PM

Yea but now you can shut off ststion services in like 4 minutes in a frig. With a magic sov wand!

yay...


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#62 leetcheese

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Posted 10 June 2015 - 09:02 PM

everyone called me bitter and told me to quit the game when i said that it was a joke


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#63 Hats

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Posted 10 June 2015 - 09:06 PM

in eve being a realist and being bitter is the same thing, i guess



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Posted 10 June 2015 - 09:16 PM

if they don't get it right i think the game is legit dead

Sadly this may well be true.



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Posted 10 June 2015 - 09:30 PM

everyone called me bitter and told me to quit the game when i said that it was a joke

 

people still haven't figured out that leetcheese was right?


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Posted 10 June 2015 - 11:43 PM

There are quite a few things to third party in EVE right now; the Venal saga as always continues, BRAVE (tries to) fight BL every few days, there's random shit in Delve/Querious, and the clusterfuck in Drones. It's just that nowadays Tri & Nulli always have eyes in HLW and if a PL fleet undocks everyone disengages lmao.



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Posted 11 June 2015 - 02:30 AM

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Posted 11 June 2015 - 06:27 AM

is fozziesov live yet


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 06:29 AM

There are quite a few things to third party in EVE right now; the Venal saga as always continues, BRAVE (tries to) fight BL every few days, there's random shit in Delve/Querious, and the clusterfuck in Drones. It's just that nowadays Tri & Nulli always have eyes in HLW and if a PL fleet undocks everyone disengages lmao.

 

Do you see the problem when you have to third party everything?


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 06:40 AM

fin is a shitter pleb hanger-on so he doesn't know a damn thing about eve l0l


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 06:42 AM

the chase is the best, hardest and most fun part

 

killing is less than trivial if you're not the fc or anchor


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#72 leetcheese

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Posted 11 June 2015 - 07:23 AM

is fozziesov live yet

 

they half-assed the half ass


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#73 Richter Belmont

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Posted 11 June 2015 - 09:06 AM

what a giant surprise


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 09:37 AM

It's funny because this isn't even the important part of the sov changes

There's still no reason to be in nullsec apart from inertia and autistic ratting and super building
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Posted 11 June 2015 - 02:15 PM

There are quite a few things to third party in EVE right now; the Venal saga as always continues, BRAVE (tries to) fight BL every few days, there's random shit in Delve/Querious, and the clusterfuck in Drones. It's just that nowadays Tri & Nulli always have eyes in HLW and if a PL fleet undocks everyone disengages lmao.

I get that PL, NC, or whomever else play this game for the fights. The problem is Nulli and TRI could have a pretty fair fight between the 2 of them, but when we have a 30-50v30-50 pilot fight then PL, NC, or whomever shows up with another 30-50 only shooting one side what exactly is the other side supposed to do other than get fukt?



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Posted 11 June 2015 - 03:05 PM

Well CCP gives 0 incentive to living in a single place so it tacitly supports this sort of thing vOv. Even with FozzieSov as Indices become important for system defence it still won't be worth it. Unless you're multiboxing smartbombing machs or using a carrier Sanctums still won't make near enough money to justify the time spent. So it encourages people to just move to wherever the fights are. 



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Posted 11 June 2015 - 03:13 PM

this probably belongs in another thread, but is there any reasonable way to buff individual nullsec system income that doesn't totally break the economy when you stick 10k nerds in a region?


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 03:48 PM

i still have no fucking idea why anyone continues to bother dealing with living in useless sov when there can be more money made in lowsec or fucking highsec at this time

 

 

even us, PL, i can't see why we still fuck around with nullsec when there's busted ass bombers and bubbles all over the place making an entire class of spaceship doctrines (battleships) worthless


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 03:49 PM

There's some quote from Fozzie about individual income being fine so lol


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 03:57 PM

Not that I'm very keyed in at all, but I do recall I think it was Fozzie saying that basically please look at this chart and see how much total income is being made from anomalies.  All is well in Eve.


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 03:58 PM

There's some quote from Fozzie about individual income being fine so lol

 

it had graphs!!!! and stats about more people being in 0.0 than ever!!!!


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 03:58 PM

did he ever think that the more people / income is because of the MASSIVE RENTAL EMPIRES????????????


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 03:59 PM

HOLY SHIT CRITICAL THINKING IS HARD IM GONNA GO WORK AT RIOT GAMES AND GIVE EVERY CHAMPION THE SAME ABILITIES 


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 03:59 PM

oh wait that's every other CCP dev


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 05:26 PM

Pretty sure that even if they made it so that you could make 10x the isk in sov null that you can in low, high, NPC, or WHs that people would still third party and/or batphone. Nobody is putting any pressure on PL's sov, so what else do you guys have to entertain you? Provi again, Brave again, VFK? None of those are fun.



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Posted 11 June 2015 - 05:41 PM

PL's 8 systems is really worth fighting over


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 06:07 PM

Not that I'm very keyed in at all, but I do recall I think it was Fozzie saying that basically please look at this chart and see how much total income is being made from anomalies. All is well in Eve.


He's not totally wrong though, there is insane velocity coming from bounties. I'd imagine that without greyscale's heavy hamfisted anomy nerf inflation may have gotten out of control.

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Posted 11 June 2015 - 06:21 PM

I'm pretty sure those number are highly inflated/strongly concentrated amongst a few groups and systems

 

Like 99% of null is actually trash for anoms


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 06:41 PM

PL's 8 systems is really worth fighting over

I hear HED is nice in the summer.



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Posted 11 June 2015 - 06:56 PM

I'm pretty sure those number are highly inflated/strongly concentrated amongst a few groups and systems

 

Like 99% of null is actually trash for anoms

 

it totally is, it just means that the farmers are extremely thorough in the good spots.  the anomaly nerf was a solid concept, but only in a vacuum with no other mechanics.  if moongoo hadn't been so well manipulated in the markets and well integrated into alliance infrastructure it might have made sense to try and go hold the good systems, and generally try and knock alliances off of the fertile areas of the map.

 

there's no easy solution here.  the gameplay and lore for ratting is pretty awful, and it injects isk into the system at a rate that increases inflation over the longer term. 


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 07:02 PM

the problem with nullsec isnt ratting

 

its production

 

low end minerals arent worth mining

there aren't nearly enough production slots in sov stations

pos production sucks

 

 

imagine if jita was just a high / low trade hub and everyone with sov empires actually was self sufficient 


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 07:20 PM

the problem with nullsec isnt ratting

 

its production

 

low end minerals arent worth mining

there aren't nearly enough production slots in sov stations

pos production sucks

 

 

imagine if jita was just a high / low trade hub and everyone with sov empires actually was self sufficient 

 

absolutely this.  and it looks like they're moving in the right direction with the structure overhaul.


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 07:57 PM

But is it all too little too late


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Posted 11 June 2015 - 08:37 PM

yes



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Posted 11 June 2015 - 08:38 PM

because by the time it is properly done star citizen will be a thing



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Posted 11 June 2015 - 08:42 PM

because by the time it is properly done star citizen will be a thing


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Posted 12 June 2015 - 06:47 AM

because by the time it is properly done star citizen will be a thing

 

we will get hl3 before star citizen goes gold


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Posted 12 June 2015 - 12:31 PM

duke nukem forever will be released


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