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#99 Daruna

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Posted 14 May 2015 - 09:47 PM

But what do I know

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Posted 15 May 2015 - 07:19 AM

Yeah I agree Daruna, I think the idea you can pluck 10,000 people out of a game and drop them into another is daft, but I also suspect they know everyone won't come over.

I think the idea with H1Z1 is to sort of break people into it and then move on. The Mittani seems genuinely confident we are going to fuck that game up to a state where we can laugh at the "real" players and then waltz off (as a group).

I think the idea eventually was to have say, for example, identical alliances in both EVE and Star Citizen (see, it's a hypothetical example, like SC is a hypothetical game lol) ran by the same people part of the same coalition. Applies to any game really though. Then you'd draw new members from both games and sort of cross pollinate them.

As for your points RE the Imperium having people who only give a fuck about ratting space, I think that expecting everyone or even a huge chunk of the coalition to drop £15 on a very specific genre of FPS game that is notoriously full of hackers and shit mechanics is unrealistic. I would guess less people signed up than they would hope, but I think no one would deny that a lot of line members are in he Imperium out of self interest. I mean if the Imperium turned shit and EXE was going to die as a result of it I'd expect us to leave too.

I think Mittens feels the fact the CFC an entity never really had an identity beyond "GSF and goonpets lol" is mainly to blame and was one of the reasons to calling it the Imperium and having a logo everyone can use.

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Posted 15 May 2015 - 09:38 AM

bit late for an identity crisis after 5 years of existence


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Posted 15 May 2015 - 09:59 AM

Think of it as a mid life crisis.

I mean I get what he's talking about. I just feel that the CFC did have an identity whereas I think he feels it didn't because it didn't have a logo and stuff.

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Posted 15 May 2015 - 01:19 PM

if you're going to name a large organization that you want to play other games, I deffo wouldn't call it "The Imperium"


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Posted 15 May 2015 - 02:04 PM

40k references are always ok


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Posted 15 May 2015 - 02:27 PM

if you're going to name a large organization that you want to play other games, I deffo wouldn't call it "The Imperium"


It's pretty bland, it fits in basically any type of video game ever.

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Posted 15 May 2015 - 02:33 PM

40k references are always ok

 

When you're 15, sure.


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Posted 15 May 2015 - 02:34 PM

Also aren't Game Workshops exactly the sort of cunts who would go after an internet spaceship guild for getting too close to their IP?


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Posted 15 May 2015 - 02:43 PM

Also aren't Game Workshops exactly the sort of cunts who would go after an internet spaceship guild for getting too close to their IP?


P sure that's The Imperium of Man


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Posted 15 May 2015 - 04:20 PM

the imperium of giant turk

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Posted 15 May 2015 - 06:00 PM

Also aren't Game Workshops exactly the sort of cunts who would go after an internet spaceship guild for getting too close to their IP?


Can't trademark the Imperium as it stems from the Latin word for Empire. So the Romans invented the word.

They also can't trademark Imperial Guard as there's been tons of them, which is why they renamed it to Astra Militarium or whatever

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Posted 15 May 2015 - 07:14 PM

Also though H1Z1 is fun for anyone thinking of trying it but only if you're with other dudes. It's shit in your own.

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Posted 15 May 2015 - 07:29 PM

Also though H1Z1 is fun for anyone thinking of trying it but only if you're with other dudes. It's shit in your own.

 

that sure sounds like some other game we all know of


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Posted 15 May 2015 - 07:35 PM

I don't think the CFC will ever escape the "goons and pets" identity.
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Posted 15 May 2015 - 11:51 PM

which is funny because it's basically "pets and pets" at this point


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Posted 16 May 2015 - 09:01 AM

can some1 explain to me why martini is climbing up smedleys ass on a regular basis nowadays


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Posted 16 May 2015 - 11:23 AM

that sure sounds like some other game we all know of


That's literally the logic, it's like EVE circa 2005. The mechanics are shit but it's full of guys that pride themselves on the fact they are elite grizzled survivors a nd mobbing them to death with 30 naked guys with hatches is pretty funny.

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Posted 16 May 2015 - 11:30 AM

That's literally the logic, it's like EVE circa 2005. The mechanics are shit but it's full of guys that pride themselves on the fact they are elite grizzled survivors a nd mobbing them to death with 30 naked guys with hatches is pretty funny.


Eve was definitely made better by goon retards promoting n+1 gameplay too

Bringing the very same enlightenment to h1z1

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Posted 16 May 2015 - 11:35 AM

Age of Wushu was the same bullshit, terrible game but hey if you get 50 newbies to dogpile some Vietnamese retard with $5000 in cash shop garbage suddenly game is good


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Posted 16 May 2015 - 11:57 AM

Eve was definitely made better by goon retards promoting n+1 gameplay too

Bringing the very same enlightenment to h1z1

 

You can't solely blame goonswarm for that, n+1 is the logical conclusion of fighting in an open-ended sandbox. They just gamed the process and accelerated it. People were already coalescing into blobs before they were even on the scene.


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Posted 16 May 2015 - 12:08 PM

The world is a sandbox, where's my fucking emergent gameplay?


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Posted 16 May 2015 - 12:37 PM

Eve was definitely made better by goon retards promoting n+1 gameplay too

Bringing the very same enlightenment to h1z1


Regardless of your opinions of GSF you can't deny they have played an important role in many events that have made EVE as successful as it is today. Other alliances have too, but GSF is definitely one of them.

Also as Don said N+1 game play is always the logical conclusion of a sandbox, if it was N+1 subcaps it would be N+1 supercapitals, if it's not N+1 spaceships it will be N+1 zombie apocalypse survivors etc.

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Posted 16 May 2015 - 01:06 PM

DonP sucking the Martin dongue like a champ.


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Posted 16 May 2015 - 02:10 PM

Age of Wushu was the same bullshit, terrible game but hey if you get 50 newbies to dogpile some Vietnamese retard with $5000 in cash shop garbage suddenly game is good


Wasn't that the one that you could castrate people?

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Posted 16 May 2015 - 02:10 PM

DonP sucking the Martin dongue like a champ.


He's not wrong though.

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Posted 16 May 2015 - 04:48 PM

If only there were the possibility for mechanics that discourage n+1.

Game design is hard just make candy crush 2 instead
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Posted 16 May 2015 - 06:03 PM


Game design is hard just make candy crush 2 instead

 

I see you read the latest Konami press release too.


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Posted 16 May 2015 - 06:41 PM

I actually haven't read it, but I hear that they said mobile is their new main platform.
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Posted 16 May 2015 - 06:43 PM

Mainly because pay to win f2p is the most effective business model ever because people would rather win 1000 rounds of candy crush than have a retirement fund.
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Posted 16 May 2015 - 06:43 PM

Basically I'm just mad I didn't think of it first. :smith:
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Posted 16 May 2015 - 07:28 PM

Wasn't that the one that you could castrate people?

and sell them as sex slaves while they're logged off etc yeah

 

fuckin weird game


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Posted 16 May 2015 - 07:32 PM

Regardless of your opinions of GSF you can't deny they have played an important role in many events that have made EVE as successful as it is today. Other alliances have too, but GSF is definitely one of them.
 

Honestly, as much a old goonswarm fanboy and member as I was, yes you can. Eve went through its teething process and became a successful and sustainable game long before Goonfleet was formed. The heavy lifting was all done in 03/04. Even afterwards it was BoB that pioneered things like the espionage metagame, killed the first titan and then being the "big bad" enemy that had to be taken down. The goons contributed like ten really interesting storys from Mittani and that was basically that.



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Posted 16 May 2015 - 07:35 PM

If only there were the possibility for mechanics that discourage n+1.

Game design is hard just make candy crush 2 instead

It's called AoE but it doesnt works when your game shit itself every time each items in a grid have to deal with each others.

 

Optimising engines is hard, spend 2 years balancing T1 frigs and cruisers instead.



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Posted 16 May 2015 - 07:47 PM

maybe not write a fucking backend in python


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Posted 16 May 2015 - 08:08 PM

But it's stackless buzzword synergy python now so it is fast
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Posted 16 May 2015 - 08:09 PM

The better they make the backend the more n+1 they get. heh
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Posted 16 May 2015 - 08:14 PM

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Posted 16 May 2015 - 08:28 PM

The better they make the backend the more n+1 they get. heh

 

maybe that's why

 

or they're just incompetent LMAO


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Posted 16 May 2015 - 11:55 PM

it's that they are incompetent, but I just found it funny that they improve their back-end only to make the problem EVEN WORSE


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Posted 17 May 2015 - 12:04 AM

can some1 explain to me why martini is climbing up smedleys ass on a regular basis nowadays


Because CCP is preparing to sell itself to SOE.

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Posted 17 May 2015 - 02:21 AM

SOE is no longer called SOE (Sony realized that the ship was sinking so sold it off to some venture capitalists who then had to rename the group) and I highly doubt that they are looking to make any purchases at the moment.



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Posted 17 May 2015 - 02:46 AM

I was making yolk, but still, that's interesting shit. Thanks alex.

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Posted 17 May 2015 - 03:25 AM

Frankly its shocking that they lasted as long as they did on EQ2 money.



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Posted 17 May 2015 - 06:12 AM

I'm like 90% sure EQ1 is still Daybreak/SOE's biggest money maker.


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Posted 17 May 2015 - 06:12 AM

It's like EVE; there are people with 16 years invested into the game and they just can't put it down

 

 

no matter how much sony fucked up the game


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Posted 17 May 2015 - 09:03 AM

SOE is no longer called SOE (Sony realized that the ship was sinking so sold it off to some venture capitalists who then had to rename the group) and I highly doubt that they are looking to make any purchases at the moment.


SOE was actually one of the more profitable parts of Sony FYI

Source: I worked at Sony

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Posted 17 May 2015 - 01:43 PM

Honestly, as much a old goonswarm fanboy and member as I was, yes you can. Eve went through its teething process and became a successful and sustainable game long before Goonfleet was formed. The heavy lifting was all done in 03/04. Even afterwards it was BoB that pioneered things like the espionage metagame, killed the first titan and then being the "big bad" enemy that had to be taken down. The goons contributed like ten really interesting storys from Mittani and that was basically that.


That's right fuck you kitchner get the goon dick out of ur face and you can see the obvious too

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Posted 17 May 2015 - 01:52 PM

Nope. All the most publicised stories are of GSF and it's actions really, or am event they played some sort of part in.

You can argue they weren't the first to do it or whatever, but when you look at what people remember GSF is up there as one of the things people call to mind. BoB is also one of them and before you guys do your usual of putting words in my mouth or arguing about shit I didn't say, let me be clear I'm saying GSF are PART of what made EVE what it is today and we're major CONTRIBUTORS to its success.

You can try and re-create history all you want but to say that Goonswarm hadn't played a major role in the development of EVE is pretty dumb.

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